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World championship???

Discussion in 'General Pinewood Derby Discussion' started by Derby addict, Feb 13, 2020.

  1. Derby addict

    Derby addict Pinewood Ninja

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    Does anyone know if the NYC council is holding the World championship this year? All of the sudden all the information is gone missing from their site.
     
  2. Bubblegum

    Bubblegum Rail Runner

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    Maybe they realized all of the headaches associated with their location and rules and are fixing everything to make it more enjoyable for the families and less court of law meets the DMV meets a night club.
     
  3. STK Racing

    STK Racing Pack Champion

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    looks like they are still on for 2020: https://nycscouting.org/wcpwd/

    They have the rules and FAQ posted. Unfortunately, no significant changes from last year
     
  4. Gso125 Racing

    Gso125 Racing Workshop Leader Pro Race Winner Pro Racer

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    I checked this morning it was down. Looks like they must have been updating the site.
     
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    NYCracer Bent Axle

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    Hey Guys, I'm the event chair for the NYC World Championship race. We're not going to host it this year, NYC is a mess with this virus, and hosting a virtual race isn't on the list. Would love to hear more on some of the issues you've noted above, please forward!
     
  6. Derby addict

    Derby addict Pinewood Ninja

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    I think the rule that most people disagree with is not bent axles.
     
  7. NYCracer

    NYCracer Bent Axle

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    Thanks for the note!

    Why do you think allowing bent axles is such a point of discussion? I know it’s much easier to get a car to rail ride by bending an axle to control steering, whereas forcing a straight axle while allowing it to be canted to the body takes much more precision and is really hard to do. We have this rule to help level the playing field for the, umm, shall we say less fanatical?

    Unlike some of the other races around the country, the NYC race is really geared towards the average Scout and gives latitude to some minor enhancements. It's the reason we have just two classes; stock and pro-stock.
     
  8. NYCracer

    NYCracer Bent Axle

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    I wish there was a more family friendly way of hosting the event but we have some pretty crazy restrictions to deal with. I'm assuming that you're speaking of the long lines?

    Court of law is to level set the pro's playing with the kids, our race was never designed to be an 'everyone can enter' event. I kind of like the night club thing we do though :)
     
  9. STK Racing

    STK Racing Pack Champion

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    My 2 cents on the topic.

    I think most have issues with the bent axles because it doesn't actually level the playing field. In my opinion it does the opposite. The "fanatics" have the proper tools and skills to help their kids build a fast car either way. Bending an axle is a very simple process that doesn't require expensive specialty tools and would give the average family a better chance at being competitive.

    I think most agree that the "stock" class covers your typical scout family build. The "Pro" class should be for those families that have a greater passion for the sport and to think no bent axles is holding back the "Pros" from taking over, I would say that building a car with a bent axle is easier and more likely to have the Scout involved in every step of the process.

    Overall, I think everyone has the proper intentions. The purpose of the Pinewood derby is to have an excuse to spend quality time with your kids and teach them something.

    PS. Graphite is Messy and ruins the track - Oil Please :)
     
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  10. Derby addict

    Derby addict Pinewood Ninja

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    I agree with STK.

    And I am disappointed that the race is canceled, but totally understand.
     
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  11. TRE

    TRE PWD Royalty Pro Race Winner Pro Racer

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    Race is a joke
     
  12. NYCracer

    NYCracer Bent Axle

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    Care to explain TRE? Always looking to improve.
     
  13. TRE

    TRE PWD Royalty Pro Race Winner Pro Racer

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    No bent axles in pro class and graphite only...just to name a few...i could go on all dat but dont have the time
     
  14. NYCracer

    NYCracer Bent Axle

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    And that makes the race a joke?

    Again, this race isn't a 'for everyone' race, it's designed for current Scouts who've won a district or council race and their families only. The goal was to promote scouting on a national level, not cater to the 'pro racers' who travel around the country. For Scouts, there's never been an oil category so I see no need to have one. I'll reconsider bent axles based on the reasonable comments from STK (thank you!).

    Also, we have time constraints that make this a one day, 8am to 4pm race. We get there at 10pm the evening before to begin setup and don't finish setting up until 4am. When the race is over at 4pm we spend 3+ hours tearing it all down. That's the best I can do given that we're racing in the main ballroom of the Marriott Marquis in Times Square. I simply can't add anything else to the program.

    Sorry if this race doesn't meet your criteria, but my goal is to work with our scouts to roll a painted block of wood down an incline and create an exceptional lifetime experience - right?
     
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    TRE PWD Royalty Pro Race Winner Pro Racer

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    Well its by far the world championship...i have heard from numerous people about the check in
     
  16. NYCracer

    NYCracer Bent Axle

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    Yup, check-in is a trial for all. I have an amazing team that really goes above and beyond to make this thing happen, but it's just the sheer volume that kills us. We make improvements every year, and I'm happy that I can gather perspectives from forums like these. Hoping to meet you guys at the event in 2021, always looking for an extra set of hands (hint!).
     
  17. Cubscout Dad

    Cubscout Dad District Champion

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    TRE Why don't we work with NYCracer to help make this event fun for everyone, if we can give a reasonable explanation of why changes need to be made and maybe he will let you volunteer on check ins.
     
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    I agree 100% with this. Bent axles makes a car much easier to tune, and bending them is pretty easy.
     
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  19. Mojo Racing

    Mojo Racing National Contender Pro Racer

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    On that note, a few years ago, the people who ran the NYC race were approached by a couple of people who run big races and leagues, to help with the New York race, and were basically told they didn't need help.

    I get that NYC is trying to separate cubs from pros, but running the race? From the cubs I talked to, that is where the most help is needed.

    A couple rule changes can definitely help, but, running the race is a big part too
     
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  20. NYCracer

    NYCracer Bent Axle

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    That may be true, depending on the help offered. As I mentioned, I'm not looking to turn this into an open class series - just hosting a true Cub Scout Pinewood for winners of district or council races at a national level. We instituted the Pro class to allow for exceptions to the basic rules so that all scouts could race.

    Agree that the logistics and some of the hospitality portion of the races could use some help, but the physical location has an incredible number of limitations beyond my control. I'd be happy to have open conversations with anyone who wants to attend the race as staff, or who can offer constructive criticism based on their experience after attending.

    Thanks for the continued engagement!

    - Matt
     

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